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LLMs, Lengthy Covid, Dismal Science Version

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Mind rot explains rather a lot about LLMs, lengthy covid, unhealthy economics and polisci, or possibly it’s the opposite manner round.

LLMs as Mind Rot Inducement Machines

Yesterday, Conor reposted a Dialog piece about OpenAI slipping purchasing into ChatGPT which looks as if an effort to induce mind rot on their buyer base:

AI’s responses create what researchers name an “recommendation phantasm.” When ChatGPT suggests three lodges, you don’t see them as adverts. They really feel like suggestions from a educated pal. However you don’t know whether or not these lodges paid for placement or whether or not higher choices exist that ChatGPT didn’t present you.

Conventional promoting is one thing most individuals have realized to acknowledge and dismiss. However AI suggestions really feel goal even after they’re not. With one-tap buying, your entire course of occurs so easily that you simply may not pause to match choices.

OpenAI isn’t alone on this race. In the identical month, Google introduced its competing protocol, AP2. Microsoft, Amazon and Meta are constructing related methods. Whoever wins can be in place to manage how billions of individuals purchase issues, doubtlessly capturing a share of trillions of {dollars} in annual transactions.

Let’s all get excessive on Vibes

The Atlantic lined Meta’s newest atrocity, Vibes an all AI social community.

Be aware: When serious about something carried out by Meta on this period, always remember that Zuckerberg blew at the very least $46.5 billion on his disastrous Metaverse undertaking (for the opposing view additionally skim this Bloomberg puff piece which claims that “analysts suppose that the pivot from Fb to Meta is lastly coming to fruition as the corporate closely leans into its Orion augmented actuality glasses.”)

Time will inform if Orion catches on, I’m skeptical that augmented actuality merchandise presently. Now let’s hear about Vibes:

Vibes, a brand new social community nested inside the Meta AI app—besides it’s devoid of any precise individuals. It is a place the place customers can create an account and ask the corporate’s giant language mannequin for instance their concepts. The ensuing movies are then introduced, seemingly at random, to others in a TikTok-style feed. (OpenAI’s more moderen Sora 2 app could be very related.) The photographs are glossy and ultra-processed—a realer-than-real aesthetic that has change into the home model of most generative-AI artwork. Every video, by itself, is a digital curio, the worth of which drops to zero after the preliminary view. In mixture, they tackle an awesome, virtually narcotic impact. They’re contextless, stupefying, and, most vital, endless. Every successive clip is each effortlessly consumable and wholly unsatisfying.

I toggle over to a separate tab to see a publish from President Donald Trump on his private social community. It’s an AI video, posted on the day of the “No Kings” protests: The president, carrying a crown, fires up a fighter jet painted with the phrases King Trump. He hovers the aircraft over Occasions Sq., at which level he dumps what seems to be liquid feces onto protesters crowding the streets beneath. The track “Hazard Zone,” by Kenny Loggins, performs.

I swap tabs. On X, the official White Home account has posted an AI picture of Trump and Vice President J. D. Vance carrying crowns. A MAGA influencer has fallen for an AI-generated Turning Level USA Tremendous Bowl halftime-show poster that lists “measles” among the many performers and particular visitors. I encounter extra AI movies. One includes a man in a kitchen placing the Pokémon character Pikachu in a sous-vide machine. One other is a superbly rendered faux ’90s toy business for a “Jeffrey Epstein’s Island” play set. These movies had the distinctive Sora 2 watermark, which individuals have additionally began to digitally add to actual movies to troll viewers.

Right here’s the Trump video which must be seen to grasp our mind rot second:

Why Is Trump Trolling?

The more and more pro-Trump John Michael Greer has a idea:

Trump has realized that it’s far simpler to mock his enemies than to argue with them, and has groups of meme artists going at it hammer and tongs. His aim, I feel, is to crack the facade of necessary niceness that so many individuals on the left domesticate so assiduously, realizing that when it breaks and all the things they’ve been repressing comes spilling out, they’ll alienate voters the best way Biden did along with his well-known Reichstag speech

The response to Kirk’s homicide is an efficient instance of what he’s attempting to goad them to do, and so they’re falling into his entice with embarrassing ease.

pic.twitter.com/5EwxlUgUTD

— Nat Wilson Turner (@natwilsonturner) October 23, 2025

Now we’ll grapple with the query of whether or not the stress of the apparent AI bubble is inflicting mind rot amongst tech execs.

AI Quantity Go Down

The very first thing to know to grasp the stakes at play is the amount of cash OpenAI is elevating and spending. That’s why I known as OpenAI a “cash pit” in June.

Then The Info reported in September concerning the obligations OpenAI is trying to tackle:

Income development from ChatGPT is accelerating at a extra fast fee than the corporate projected half a 12 months in the past. The unhealthy information? The computing prices to develop synthetic intelligence that powers the chatbot, and different information center-related bills, will rise even sooner.

Consequently, OpenAI projected its money burn this 12 months by means of 2029 will rise even larger than beforehand thought, to a complete of $115 billion. That’s about $80 billion larger than the corporate beforehand anticipated.

The unprecedented projected money burn, which might add to the roughly $2 billion it burned up to now two years, helps clarify why the corporate is elevating extra capital than any non-public firm in historical past. CEO Sam Altman has beforehand instructed staff that their firm is likely to be the “most capital intensive” startup of all time.
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the corporate has projected $13 billion in whole income this 12 months, up three and a half instances from final 12 months and about $300 million larger than its earlier projections for 2025, the brand new information present. Its income projection for 2030 rose about 15% to roughly $200 billion in comparison with the prior projection.

ChatGPT is a big driver of the corporate’s elevated projections. OpenAI expects the chatbot to generate practically $70 billion in extra income over the following six years, in comparison with earlier projections. Hundreds of thousands of individuals and hundreds of companies pay subscription charges to make use of ChatGPT.

OpenAI projected practically $10 billion in income from ChatGPT this 12 months, a rise of roughly $2 billion from projections earlier this 12 months, and practically $90 billion in income from the chatbot in 2030, a roughly 40% enhance from the sooner projections.

OpenAI’s projections additionally raised expectations for the way it will generate income from customers who don’t pay for ChatGPT. It’s unclear how OpenAI plans to earn money off that portion of its consumer base, though it may embody shopping-related companies or some type of promoting. The info present the corporate expects to generate round $110 billion in income between 2026 and 2030 from such companies.

OpenAI has been promising huge income development and Gary Marcus doesn’t suppose they’ll ship:

OpenAI can’t make its bold income numbers — 13x-ing present income in 5 years — except income from paying huge enterprise clients retains going up and up and up and up and up.

And he shares numerous charts and tweets for instance his 5 causes.

First the rosy projections:

pic.twitter.com/VTvgHWJ0Gx

— Nat Wilson Turner (@natwilsonturner) October 22, 2025

Then experiences of declining use of generative AI within the American workforce, which explains why OpenAI is pursuing promoting, porn, private purchasing, and shopper video era.

Hartley, Jolevski, Melo, and Moore have been monitoring GenAI use for Individuals at work since December 2024.

They discover that GenAI use fell to 36.7% of survey respondents in September 2025 from 45.6% in June.

I’m wondering if OpenAI, Google or Anthropic are seeing an identical decline… https://t.co/hjnss5u6vj

— Erik Brynjolfsson (@erikbryn) October 22, 2025

There’s no higher method to perceive the awfulness of OpenAI’s shopper video era app Sora than watching this video titled “Sora Proves the AI Bubble Is Going to Burst So Exhausting” by Adam Conover.

Partial transcript:

Sora 2 is likely one of the weirdest and in some ways worst apps to ever make it into the app retailer. And I’ve tried Pimple Popper Mild.

So, to begin with, Sora provides you the choice of letting anybody make an AI deep faux video of you when you take the little step of letting them steal your face.

And virtually with the intention to display why nobody ought to ever do that, Sam Alman himself kindly donated his personal likeness for us to have enjoyable with. Which signifies that whenever you open Sora, virtually one out of each three movies you see is Sam being bodily, emotionally, and generally virtually sexually humiliated by his personal customers.

Conover additionally discusses this Washington Put up piece concerning the ghoulishness of the app:

Ilyasah Shabazz didn’t need to take a look at the AI-generated movies of her father, Malcolm X. The seemingly real looking clips — made by OpenAI’s new video-maker Sora 2 — present the legendary civil rights activist making crude jokes, wrestling with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and speaking about defecating on himself.

Sora’s pace and uncanny realism has helped rocket the app to the highest of the obtain charts, and movies reanimating the lifeless have been amongst its most viral clips. Sora-produced movies of Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley and Amy Winehouse have flooded social media platforms, with many viewers saying they battle to inform whether or not the movies are actual or faux.

Some clips performed for laughs, such a video of “Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood” host Fred Rogers writing a rap track with hip-hop artist Tupac Shakur. Others have leaned into darker themes. One video confirmed police body-camera footage of Whitney Houston wanting intoxicated. In some clips, King makes monkey noises throughout his “I Have a Dream” speech, basketball participant Kobe Bryant flies aboard a helicopter mirroring the crash that killed him and his daughter in 2020, and John F. Kennedy makes a joke concerning the latest killing of right-wing influencer Charlie Kirk.

And a Techcrunch piece headlined: ChatGPT’s cell app is seeing slowing obtain development and each day use, evaluation exhibits:

ChatGPT’s cell app development might have hit its peak, in response to a brand new evaluation of obtain developments and each day energetic customers supplied by the third-party app intelligence agency Apptopia. Its estimates point out that new consumer development, measured by share adjustments in new international downloads, slowed after April.

The agency regarded on the international each day energetic consumer (DAU) development and located that the numbers have begun to even out over the previous month or so.

pic.twitter.com/SmLh5A3wTI

— Nat Wilson Turner (@natwilsonturner) October 22, 2025

Though October is barely half over, the agency says it’s on tempo to be down 8.1% when it comes to a month-over-month share change in international downloads.

To be clear, this can be a take a look at obtain development, not whole downloads. By way of sheer variety of new installs, ChatGPT’s cell app continues to be doing nicely, with thousands and thousands of downloads per day.

Gary Marcus added:

If and when the entire generative AI edifice comes crashing down, it is going to be in no small half as a result of too many in any other case good buyers learn too many graphs—from “LLM scaling” to utilization statistics—too naively, assuming that issues had been going up for some time would proceed to go up on the identical tempo, indefinitely.

That is, in fact, a model the trillion pound child fallacy I’ve talked about earlier than

Sadly, my son has fallen off of the 7.5-trillion-pound tempo… https://t.co/LSKvwPVMDi pic.twitter.com/CtazoRgl6M

— Christian Keil (@pronounced_kyle) August 2, 2024

LLMs Getting Mind Rot Themselves?!?

A gaggle of researchers from Texas A&M College, College of Texas at Austin, and Purdue College have launched a brand new research known as “LLMs Can Get ‘Mind Rot’!”:

We suggest and take a look at the LLM Mind Rot Speculation: continuous publicity to junk internet textual content induces lasting cognitive decline in giant language fashions (LLMs). To causally isolate information high quality, we run managed experiments on actual Twitter/X corpora, developing junk and reversely managed datasets by way of two orthogonal operationalizations: M1 (engagement diploma) and M2 (semantic high quality), with matched token scale and coaching operations throughout situations.

Opposite to the management group, continuous pre-training of 4 LLMs on the junk dataset causes non-trivial declines (Hedges’ g>0.3) on reasoning, long-context understanding, security, and inflating “darkish traits” (e.g., psychopathy, narcissism). The gradual mixtures of junk and management datasets additionally yield dose-response cognition decay: for instance, beneath M1, ARC-Problem with Chain Of Ideas drops 74.9 → 57.2 and RULER-CWE 84.4 → 52.3 as junk ratio rises from 0% to 100%.

Error forensics reveal a number of key insights:

  • Thought-skipping as the first lesion: fashions more and more truncate or skip reasoning chains, explaining many of the error development.
  • Partial however incomplete therapeutic: scaling instruction tuning and clear information pre-training enhance the declined cognition but can’t restore baseline functionality, suggesting persistent representational drift reasonably than format mismatch.
    Recognition as a greater indicator: the recognition, a non-semantic metric, of a tweet is a greater indicator of the Mind Rot impact than the size in M1.
  • Collectively, the outcomes present vital, multi-perspective proof that information high quality is a causal driver of LLM functionality decay, reframing curation for continuous pretraining as a training-time security drawback and motivating routine “cognitive well being checks” for deployed LLMs.

In order that doesn’t appear good for the business’s monetary prospects, or the rest.

And no dialogue of mind rot and LLMs is full with out Boris Johnson discussing his ChatGPT use with Saudi media outlet Al Arabiya.

Quotes by way of The Register:

“I really like ChatGPT,” the blond-mopped Brexiteer instructed Al Arabiya English earlier this week.

Well-known for making stuff up and occurring flights of fancy, Johnson served as prime minister from July 2019 till September 2022, when he was ousted after deceptive colleagues over a scandal involving his authorities’s deputy chief whip, the social gathering disciplinarian. OpenAI’s ChatGPT can also be inclined to creating statements that end up to not be fully true.

Adopting an odd affected accent in his TV interview this week, Johnson mentioned: “I really like AI, do you utilize AI? Completely, I exploit ChatGPT. I really like ChatGPT. I like it. ChatGPT is unbelievable.”

When pressed on what he used the big language mannequin (LLM) for, the previous MP confessed he was “writing varied books.”

He additionally mentioned he favored to “simply ask questions,” primarily, it will appear, as a result of he needed to listen to the robotic say how intelligent his questions have been.

“‘You agree, your mind, you’re glorious. You will have such perception.’ I like it,” Johnson instructed the interviewer.

Requested whether or not Johnson tells the reality, ChatGPT was a bit circumspect.

“It’s sophisticated. Quick reply: generally sure, however there’s numerous proof he usually doesn’t inform the complete reality, or is deceptive, or makes errors. Whether or not these are deliberate lies or exaggerations or misunderstandings is usually in dispute,” it mentioned.

Aspect word, that is what occurs whenever you go to Al Arabiya utilizing a VPN

These Saudis actually don’t love VPNs pic.twitter.com/B75mAD7I7S

— Nat Wilson Turner (@natwilsonturner) October 22, 2025

Lengthy Covid Additionally Causes Mind Rot

Rolling Stone is writing concerning the affect of lengthy covid in U.S. faculties which jogs my memory I must do extra protection of Mr MAHA himself, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.:

Over the following three years, Lia would develop a perplexing, debilitating, and chronic set of signs. Excessive fatigue that turned mornings into catatonic nightmares. Mind fog that made reminiscences slippery. Incessant vomiting. All of it saved her out of sophistication, caught within the nurse’s workplace — or out of faculty fully. The straight-A’s evaporated.

Lia’s story is one I’ve heard from dozens of households over two years investigating the affect of lengthy Covid on children. It’s a slow-moving spiral: first their well being, then their grades, then their future. And because the nation throttles previous the pandemic’s fifth anniversary, these for whom Covid looms very current are feeling more and more forgotten, topic to pervasive skepticism and a form of cultural fatigue with regards to their sickness.
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However because the earliest days of the second Trump administration, the {dollars} that might assist these affected by the sickness have quietly pale away. In March, cuts to the Nationwide Institutes of Well being (NIH) disappeared the practically $2 billion invested within the RECOVER (Researching Covid to Improve Restoration) initiative, hamstringing analysis that may have yielded diagnostic checks or higher remedies (although after protest from advocates, some analysis grants have been restored). The identical week, the administration shuttered the Division of Well being and Human Companies’ Workplace of Lengthy Covid Analysis and Apply.
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n April, the Division of Authorities Effectivity (DOGE) gutted the NIH’s Vaccine Analysis Middle — the entity whose work laid the inspiration for the Moderna Covid shot. In Could, well being officers put in by Trump overrode profession scientists on the Meals and Drug Administration to restrict approvals of recent Covid vaccines. Across the identical time, HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. disavowed the vaccine for wholesome children and pregnant ladies. (“We’re now one step nearer to realizing President Trump’s promise to make America wholesome once more,” Kennedy mentioned in a video saying the coverage.)

Within the weeks that adopted, the secretary additionally eliminated each member of the Facilities for Illness Management and Prevention (CDC) vaccine advisory committee, changing them with a merry band of loyalists and skeptics. That committee has since walked again suggestions for the Covid shot. And because the committee’s recommendations solely transfer ahead with the approval of the CDC director, RFK Jr. fired Susan Monarez, whom he’d appointed to that position 29 days earlier, for her refusal to “commit prematurely to approving each [committee] advice whatever the scientific proof,” as Monarez later testified at a Senate listening to.

And this X.com trade is illustrative of the persevering with mind rot across the dialogue of covid:

Let’s not rewrite historical past. It was a foul religion critique bc everybody was masked at these protests

I used to be there in 2020. Can’t defend anymore since I used to be disabled by covid and have become homebound by lengthy covid in 2024. However I do know that’s very politically inconvenient for everybody pic.twitter.com/YL5LdurG7t

— Julia Marie (@julia_doubleday) October 22, 2025

When Billionaires Purchase Mind Rot

And my favourite latest interview withAaron Good speaking to BetBett Media included an interesting dialogue concerning the causes behind the dismal high quality of the dismal science in Western academia in 2025 which :

It’s actually going to take us this lengthy to say ‘grass is inexperienced’ in political science as a result of the methodological straight jacket they put themselves in.

One other method to perceive why political science is so unhealthy is to take a look at economics as a result of that self-discipline can also be such bullshit from high to backside.

Like Milton Friedman saying no there’s no such factor as hire after which we take a look at our economic system and we’re simply beset by rentier billionaires.

But the economics self-discipline form of focuses as if Freriedman was appropriate and there’s no such factor as hire and says ‘don’t take into consideration these questions.’

It’s manner worse than Adam Smith as a result of Adam Smith truly understood that the rents of feudalism have been what have been damaging the economic system and it was true.

It saved the economic system in a type of stasis due to these these rentier landlords.

However the issue is with with capitalism, the individuals on the high are mainly those that are handiest hire seekers, monopolists, and the individuals who management the best way finance is regulated and so forth.

So since political economic system is in the end what determines the ability construction of a civilization, politics, political science and economics are going to be the 2 most bullshit disciplines within the west as a result of they must be.

You can not have individuals actually working to light up politics or economics each or political economic system as a result of these issues are a very powerful when it comes to sustaining illusions and kind of bullshit orthodoxies in order that the entire felony enterprise can hold operating.

Yeah. H.L. Mencken of all individuals wrote, I feel, the very best essay on this known as “The Dismal Science” the place he does a political financial evaluation of academia and says, , individuals with with energy and wealth, they don’t give a f**ok about chemistry or astronomy or what have you ever, however they completely do care about economics.

He doesn’t (explicitly say) political science, however you’ll be able to (apply Mencken’s evaluation).

Any science that offers with the supply of (oligarchical) energy goes to be one which they actually need to affect. And so I feel that’s actually the rationale why political science is apologetics for uh capitalist democracy and economics is apologetics for neoliberal capitalism.

Mind Rot and the Bullshit Jobs Apocalypse

This video from Cy Canterel is on theme additionally.

Partial transcript:

Silicon Valley is in the midst of pulling off one of the vital elegant cons in its historical past, convincing the world that constructing good machines requires destroying human intelligence and jobs at industrial scale. It’s the inevitable results of mythological considering so intoxicating that admitting it’s incorrect would imply acknowledging tons of of billions of {dollars} have been invested within the incorrect route. If it continues, they’ll actually eat our future from the within out.

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Corporations are committing over $300 billion to AI infrastructure in 2025 alone.
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What if your entire architectural method is not only inefficient however actively counterproductive? What if the pursuit of AGI by means of brute pressure scaling has created methods which are concurrently extremely costly and likewise remarkably silly?

Corporations are growing analysis that makes their infrastructure out of date whereas being unable to pivot as a result of it will kill their investments. They have to promote what they’ve constructed and the one manner is thru mass job elimination. The employment apocalypse is already taking place. The tech sector misplaced 130,000 jobs in 2024. And in January 25, we noticed the bottom skilled job opening since 2013, with 40% of white collar job seekers failing to get an interview in any respect. However right here’s the twist. Many AI focused jobs are what anthropologist David Greyber known as bullshit jobs. Roles like administrative coordinators, compliance officers, and center administration that exist primarily to take care of advanced hierarchy and bureaucratic processes.

These roles are sometimes mild on which means and heavy on distress. In idea, eliminating this sort of work may free people for care work, creativity, and group constructing and different roles that extra instantly assist everybody’s flourishing. However there’s a catch. As a result of even these jobs distribute assets, eliminating jobs with out altering the predatory and meaningless financial framework creates mass unemployment, not liberation.

Within the US, cities like Nashville, Houston, and Dallas would possibly face financial collapse. It’s because these areas make use of huge numbers of oldsters in customer support, finance operations, and insurance coverage. They may see simultaneous unemployment spikes, property worth crashes, shrinking tax bases, and secondary waves of unemployment from hospitality and repair work that’s not supported by the economic system. In contrast to earlier disruptions that occurred steadily and created new alternatives elsewhere, like different international locations, AI automation threatens to remove jobs sooner than new ones might be created anyplace. Displaced employees face everlasting exclusion from the economic system, creating an hourglass economic system with no center.

That’s all for at the moment from me, I’ll be again Friday morning.



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