The Phases of Actual Property Investing (The place Do You Stand?)

Dave:
Actual property investing doesn’t must be sophisticated. If getting your first rental property sounds too advanced or too intimidating otherwise you simply can’t determine the place to begin, hearken to this. Set life like expectations, write down an affordable purpose, make the funding give you the results you want. Simply get within the recreation. In the present day we’re speaking about how you are able to do simply that. Hey everybody. I’m Dave Meyer, head of Actual Property Investing at BiggerPockets. I’ve been shopping for rental properties for 15 years and I’m right here that can assist you obtain monetary freedom via actual property investing. In the present day we’re bringing Laika DTA again on the present. When you haven’t heard LA’s different nice appearances on the podcast, she’s an agent and investor in Seattle. Throughout her profession, she’s tried virtually each potential funding technique and used each financing possibility on the market, and I wished to deliver her on right now to share a few of her experiences so you may hear how she began with achievable life like objectives after which tailored as she gained extra expertise and the market shifted round her. In the present day, whilst she scales, LACA remains to be utilizing the identical mindset to ensure the properties she buys are aligned along with her investing objectives. It is a nice dialog, so let’s deliver on Leika. Leika, welcome again to the BiggerPockets podcast. Thanks for being right here.

Leka:
Thanks a lot for having me again, Dave. It’s at all times a pleasure.

Dave:
Yeah. I wished to have you ever again to speak in regards to the evolution that you just undergo as an investor as a result of what you do once you begin is fairly totally different from what you’re doing once you scale from what you do after that. And so since you have got a lot expertise as an investor, I believed you’d be the right particular person to come back on and share this with us. So inform us about your expertise, your mindset, or any recommendation that you’ve got for newer traders and what your expectations needs to be. How must you method actual property investing once you’re simply getting began in your first deal?

Leka:
So beginning out 11 years in the past, I used to be model new, not simply new to investing, however even new to the nation in a means. I had moved to the US seven or eight years earlier than that, so it was actually I used to be ranging from scratch. So anybody on the market that grew up on this nation or that comes from a background in actual property, you already had a leg up on me.

Dave:
That’s a extremely good level.

Leka:
I believe the primary factor that I might say is if you wish to begin investing in actual property, particularly now, the quantity of assets, free assets you have got, like podcasts like this, books reveals, meetups. It’s best to simply immerse your self and the extra educated you get, the higher the inspiration is so that you can scale from there.

Dave:
That’s wonderful recommendation. There may be a lot free schooling on this podcast on BiggerPockets elsewhere as properly, so it’s best to completely be digging into that stuff. You clearly had some distinctive challenges once you went into your first deal, and I’m curious how you considered it. I see so many individuals who need to get their first deal who face numerous psychological hurdles. There are actual monetary hurdles too, however I believe the psychological hurdles are sometimes larger in my expertise than the monetary ones the place individuals, perhaps you have got the cash however you’re danger averse otherwise you don’t really feel assured, that are completely regular issues to occur in the midst of your investing profession. So how did you recover from these issues mentally and get that first deal once you have been ranging from a spot with a little or no information and expertise?

Leka:
Nobody’s coming to avoid wasting you. I believe that’s the largest factor is there’s no particular pressure behind this. It’s all you. What you place into that is the way you create wealth. Each paycheck, even to this present day, I’m like, okay, if I do X, Y and Z, then I’m going to receives a commission out on this in 20 27, 20 28. So it’s actually simply constructing that up after which exhibiting as much as work each single day, even after 11 years and doing tons of of offers, you need to put out fires day by day
As a result of each mission brings with it its personal distinctive challenges, personal distinctive issues, new set of adventures that you haven’t seen within the final 100 offers as a result of each home is totally different. Each block is totally different, each metropolis is totally different. Each roof, each sewer line is totally different. And so once you do that, you have got to have the ability to present up for your self. You’ll be able to’t belief the wholesaler, you may’t belief that the contractor goes to indicate up. You’ll be able to’t belief another person to deliver you a contractor. These are issues that you need to do. How are you discovering your offers? How are you discovering your subsequent deal or your deal after that? So you have got to have the ability to construct that pipeline. All the pieces that you just put out is what you get again in return.

Dave:
I believe the factor about exhibiting up for your self is so essential. Proper out of faculty, I began a tech firm really, and I used to be speaking to this advisor I had and I used to be complaining about how all of the individuals who I employed or contractors simply weren’t working as onerous as me. And he was like, each diploma you get away from you, the individuals care much less and fewer and fewer. Perhaps your agent cares a bit of bit after which the contractor cares a bit of bit after which the subcontractor cares a bit of bit much less and it’s your job because the enterprise proprietor to ensure they’re all doing it as a result of they’re doing their very own factor, they’ve their very own enterprise. That contractor is their very own enterprise that they care about. And so it’s completely on you and I believe that may be onerous for brand new traders since you may not have the arrogance to know precisely what to do, however ask different traders, go to group, go to all these meetups, however it’s your job to type of do this and to be sure that all the pieces will get finished. I actually recognize that in the event you begin that means early in your investing profession, you’re going to be very profitable. I see lots of people blaming the contractor for why they didn’t succeed and it’d’ve been a foul contractor, however it’s your job because the enterprise proprietor to be sure that goes properly.

Leka:
I’m so glad you mentioned that. Folks blame different individuals lots on this trade as a result of it’s straightforward to do this and never look inward. However I’ll inform you this, even a deal that I’m closing this week, if I didn’t do the due diligence, nobody else goes to do this for me. The blame finally lies with you.

Dave:
And that doesn’t imply you may’t ask for assist, it simply signifies that you need to, on the finish of the day, you’re the final line of protection and also you at all times have to ensure all the pieces will get finished. And in actual property, that’s numerous logistics. It’s juggling numerous stuff. It’s not like managing one particular person. You’re dealing with a bunch of issues and I don’t need to make it sound tougher than it’s. Actual property has its ups and downs, however these are manageable issues. These aren’t issues you could’t do.

Leka:
Precisely. It’s not rocket science. And one of the best factor about actual property is that you’ve got unbelievable individuals which were of their jobs a really very long time, like escrow officers and lenders and insurance coverage brokers. You’ll be able to leverage these individuals to develop your corporation and to construct momentum, and that’s the great thing about actual property.

Dave:
Sure,

Leka:
You don’t must have an enormous group and you may 10 99 all people and nonetheless simply have a strong group of individuals serving to you succeed.

Dave:
Completely. I’ve yet one more query for you on the early stage investing earlier than we transfer on to extra superior subjects and the way your mindset shifts in this type of belongings you’re in search of and anticipating shift once you go into that development stage. So lemme simply ask you this, how would you describe a very good first deal? What does that seem like to you and what would you advise our viewers to search for on their first deal?

Leka:
Okay. Your first deal must be straightforward in some ways.

Dave:
Oh, I like that.

Leka:
And I’m not speaking about straightforward to seek out, straightforward to fund. I’m speaking about straightforward to execute as a result of all the pieces comes all the way down to execution. You’ll be able to flip round a extremely dangerous deal and nonetheless make a ton of cash if it’s executed properly. So in the event you purchase a deal that’s already good to execute, then you definitely’re successful. The second is don’t go for the offers with the minimal unfold simply since you need to get into actual property as a result of that may crush. You

Dave:
Nonetheless

Leka:
Search for offers with a very good quantity of revenue unfold. I educate my new traders to not go for a deal until it has no less than 100 okay revenue unfold

Dave:
And that’s on a flip.

Leka:
That’s only for a flip and for a long-term purchase and maintain, you need to make some quantity of optimistic cashflow, like perhaps 100, $200. It’s not lots, however you need to begin with a optimistic as a result of that first deal units up the remainder of your investing profession and your portfolio. And I simply assume that it’s not about making the cash, it’s about having that unfold to fail.

Dave:
Yeah, simply don’t fuck up. Yeah.

Leka:
You’ve to have the ability to say, okay, I’ve 100 Okay unfold, proper? If the financial system turns for some motive or in the event you don’t get the affords within the first 60 days or one thing occurs with simply flipping this home or one thing occurs to the dangerous tenant or no matter it’s, you have got sufficient of an expansion to fail.

Dave:
Oh, that’s such good recommendation. Sure, I completely agree. So

Leka:
That’s my solely factor is straightforward to execute and have sufficient margin to fail.

Dave:
And which means being affected person generally, proper? If you need to wait one other month and make extra affords, go make extra affords. I fully agree. Simply you need to lay up, proper? You don’t need a sophisticated factor, you simply need to make a simple one. There’s one different factor that I believe is so essential too. You’ve in all probability heard this. Folks say you generate profits on the purchase in actual property.

Leka:
Sure.

Dave:
Perhaps that’s true. Extra for flipping than purchase and maintain investing. I believe for purchase and maintain investing, you generate profits on operations, on execution. It’s not all discovering some good deal, but when you may make the suitable upgrades and you may maintain your tenants in place and you may management your prices over a ten yr interval, that’s in all probability going to truly imply extra to you than whether or not you bought it for 5 grand roughly for a flip, it’s in all probability totally different, however for purchase and maintain, I like what you’re saying about execution being equally if no more essential than a few of these different issues individuals concentrate on early.

Leka:
I’m actually glad you introduced that up as a result of I’m writing a e-book, it’s popping out quickly.

Dave:
I heard you have been writing a e-book, what’s it known as?

Leka:
Oh, it’s known as Return on Actual Property and it’s really all about earning money on the exit.

Dave:
Oh, fascinating. I like that.

Leka:
So you should buy something, but it surely’s about the way you flip that round. To your level with nice execution

Dave:
To

Leka:
Really generate profits on the exit. Let’s simply speak about a easy repair and flip that I purchased. I purchased it from the wholesaler for 830 5K. My exit worth was 1.35 million.

Dave:
Woo. Sure, like that.

Leka:
Yeah. Proper off the bat although, I went via hurdle after hurdle after hurdle and as an alternative of spending 200 okay just like the wholesaler advised, I ended up spending 450 okay. However guess what? My RV went from 1.35 million to 1.9 to five million. We simply closed final month and I made a killer revenue on it. And so it doesn’t matter what you purchase or how a lot you purchase it for, if there’s sufficient margin to develop and do one thing out of it that nobody else can see and execute it properly, there’s some huge cash on the sale.

Dave:
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Leka:
Yeah, so once I began doing this the primary yr I flipped houses, I flipped one house. The second yr I flipped three houses after which the third yr I flipped 12 houses.
And so I scaled rapidly. So what I might say is crucial factor that it’s essential to scale is clearly capital. It’s a must to be okay with capital elevating each from lenders like onerous cash lenders, banks, different monetary establishments, and likewise from non-public cash lenders, not simply that. Discovering artistic methods to finance offers was actually essential to me. So simply discovering strategic partnerships, vendor finance offers, all of these items actually play a lot into the way you scale your portfolio and scale your corporation. One other essential factor that I at all times inform individuals is use one path. Both repair and flip houses or be a dealer or be a purchase and maintain investor, however simply do one factor until you work it out. As soon as you work that out, it’s tremendous straightforward to scale. As soon as the method, it’s straightforward to scale after which maintain including extra revenue streams.
So for me, that first path was repair and flip. And so I simply obtained actually good at flipping houses. So constructing the programs, constructing a deal move pipeline, having wonderful contractors you could put your belief in, wonderful wholesalers which have your again that aren’t minimizing the rehab finances when promoting you a deal, issues like this. After which most significantly is constructing a community. I believe very early on I considered that as one thing that was going to essentially propel my profession in actual property. And so I began constructing a community and I began a meetup group after which the extra worth I added to others, the extra worth I added to my very own portfolio. These are some things which might be properly inside your management you could get began on to keep away from getting burnout, keep away from taking up large dangers and expectations, after which maintaining your time intact.

Dave:
Okay, so let’s break a few of these issues down as a result of financing was the very first thing that you just talked about and capital elevating as a result of this one I believe is an enormous hurdle as a result of I imply if you wish to simply save up your cash and purchase a deal each couple of years, that’s completely tremendous, particularly when you’ve got a excessive revenue, you may have the ability to do this. However I believe for individuals who both have a decrease salaried revenue or need to scale quicker, that is simply an inevitable factor that comes up. So let’s break it down as a result of onerous cash lending is for flipping. So let’s discuss a bit of bit about that, however then are you able to additionally share with us in the event you wished to be a rental investor, how you’ll take into consideration simply the mindset of it? It’s type of onerous to consider taking different individuals’s cash and being accountable for that. It’s a large step. It’s a distinct enterprise at that time.

Leka:
Yeah, I had by no means imagined that I may elevate cash from different individuals to fund my very own enterprise, however then once I first raised capital, that’s once I realized, wow, that is as a lot of a win for me as it’s for the individual that I’m elevating cash from. And that was such an aha second for me as a result of the individual that I raised cash from, he simply had cash sitting in a checking account that wasn’t rising. And so he mentioned, okay, I’m going to fund your deal for you. And in doing so, he earned 12% return on his cash plus some extent and he was like, wow, that was the most secure funding I ever made. I obtained to see a mission from begin to end and I really actually loved investing. And so he’s an investor for all times.
And the opposite factor about capital elevating, it’s straightforward. Lots of people have some huge cash in shares or sitting in a checking account that they’d not know the way to develop as a result of they’ve a reasonably stable W2 revenue. So all of it comes all the way down to you because the operator. When you do what you say you’re going to do, it’s really tremendous straightforward to boost cash. Cash is all over the place. If the deal is correct, the cash will come. So elevating cash from non-public lenders is one thing straightforward when you’ve got a monitor file and expertise and then you definitely simply once more present up and do what you will do.

Dave:
That’s a extremely good level about discovering the deal first. I believe lots of people miss this. Really, we have been at a meetup collectively the opposite week in Seattle at my first passive flip. I used to be speaking to a younger man who’s wanting to boost capital. The premise of this meetup is I used to be speaking about how I make investments passively lots in different individuals’s offers. I like doing that. And he was asking me, what do you suggest? He’s like, would you lend me cash? And I used to be like, for what? In a pleasant

Leka:
Approach.

Dave:
Nevertheless it’s like I’m not lending it to you as a person only for enjoyable. What’s the deal? And I don’t know why lots of people assume. It’s like you need to current your self because the entity to lend, which is a part of it. I do very rigorously consider the particular person, however I’m not going to judge an individual till I see the deal that they’re presenting me. There’s no level in evaluating the particular person if the deal stinks. And so I believe that’s an excellent essential mindset shift. That is true in any trade. If in case you have a very good marketing strategy, individuals will fund it. When you don’t, nobody will fund it. And in the event you can’t get a very good deal collectively that’s interesting to an investor,
Then there’s no level in even approaching them since you’re going to lose credibility in the event you go to them and not using a deal or with a foul deal. And so I actually encourage individuals to consider that first after which secondly, put your self within the thoughts of the passive investor as a result of passive traders take into consideration this a bit of bit otherwise. I don’t know in the event you see this, however I believe numerous operators concentrate on the house run deal. They’re like, we are able to make a 50% IRR or this enormous factor. Nice. As a passive investor, my complete goal is to attenuate danger. I’m like, nice, I simply need to ensure you’re not going to run away with my cash. And what occurs in the event you’re actually dangerous at your job? Precisely. And so I actually suggest individuals kind have a look at these sorts of issues and take into consideration how do I mitigate danger? How do I management danger? And put the passive investor, the onerous cash lender, whoever it’s, the accomplice that you just need to elevate, how do you make them comfy working with

Leka:
You

Dave:
As an alternative of simply specializing in the very best final result? As a result of no passive investor who’s credible goes to imagine you they usually’re going to haircut no matter you assume you’re going to get in half after which go from there. So I believe that’s an excellent good level that you just introduced up.

Leka:
Yeah. After which I believe to your level, the best way I construction these on a flip is both via debt or fairness. And if it’s debt, then the investor simply will get a straight up rate of interest. I pay my traders anyplace from 9, 10 or 11%. That’s

Dave:
Nice.

Leka:
After which perhaps some extent, it’s a one yr long run sometimes with the choice to increase by a pair extra months, say my deal’s going over no matter it’s, and if it’s fairness, then they get 15% of the revenue that I make on the deal. And numerous my traders are low danger, and they also simply desire going the debt route greater than the fairness route. After which the best way that I construction the long-term purchase and holds is I sometimes solely do one investor. I’ve finished syndications previously, I don’t like them, however on the purchase and holds, I simply do one investor per deal.

Dave:
And

Leka:
So the investor brings all of the capital, I deliver all of the deal, the execution. If it’s working with the property supervisor after which once more they get 15, 20% fairness within the deal via the deal, no matter cash we make on hire they get, after which on the time of sale, regardless of the exit worth is, we get a revenue cut up every.

Dave:
Okay. It is a nice instance of discovering mutual profit once you’re elevating cash and that’s actually kind the secret once you’re type of going out past your personal capital, past your community, it’s to only determine methods you could each profit. And that comes with giving one thing up because the operator, however you’re additionally gaining numerous potential to scale and simply discovering the appropriate stability for you is absolutely essential. You additionally talked about earlier than about in scale mode, adapting your mindset to protect your time. That’s a tough one. So how do you method that?

Leka:
When you can rent the appropriate individuals after which pay them, what do you get again in return your time and with that point you get to scale, you get to be taught new issues, put your self in entrance of studying curves and you are able to do larger.
And so I’m all about like, okay, why do I’ve to go direct to vendor and discover these offers once I can get a few of the finest wholesalers in my metropolis to ship me wonderful offers? Additionally, discovering the appropriate lender. Why maintain discovering new lenders? If in case you have one lender that fully works for you, they’ve all your corporation, they’ve all of your financial institution accounts, they know what your credit score rating is, after which I simply maintain going via the identical lender again and again to get all my flips funded. The extra you may arrange a system and rent the appropriate individuals to do the give you the results you want, the extra time you will get in that point. I can underwrite extra offers, I can execute higher on my present offers. I can discover extra traders. I’m additionally a dealer, and so I’m going out and discover properties for different traders and I’ve numerous enjoyable doing that. So simply concentrate on the place the fund is and the place your strengths are, and I believe that eradicates numerous the processes that you just don’t must be concerned in and simply getting your time again.

Dave:
I imply this being an entrepreneur, whether or not you’re in actual property or anything can simply scale infinitely. It may well take over your life in the event you let it. How do you mentally cease your self from doing an excessive amount of or cease your self from doing too little? What’s the candy spot for you?

Leka:
My candy spot may very well be doing rather less,

Dave:
However

Leka:
It’s about selecting all the pieces. Selecting the traders you need to work with, selecting the non-public lenders you need to cope with, selecting the offers you need to work on, choosing the right neighborhoods. I imply the record goes on and on and on. And it’s not one thing that you’ve got the freedom to do once you first get began since you simply need to discover all the pieces and see what works for you

Dave:
And it’s best to early on

Leka:
And it’s best to,

Dave:
Yeah,

Leka:
It’s a must to put in these reps. In any other case you don’t know what’s finest. However as you undergo it, I simply really feel like as you begin to weed out what’s good and what’s dangerous, that’s when you may really succeed. And that takes time and that takes effort. However over that point and expertise, I’ve a really clear set of the sorts of I’m going to purchase going ahead and I need stray from that, but it surely’s taken me a decade to determine that out.

Dave:
It takes some time. There’s simply so many alternative issues to do in actual property and numerous them are nice and also you simply want to determine what works for you. And there may be just a few trial and error in that until perhaps you simply discover one thing that works. Really on this podcast, we generally simply meet people who find themselves like, I purchased this one fourplex and I chook it now. I’ve simply finished that 30 occasions. I’m like, good for you. That’s superior. When you discovered one thing you want and also you simply need to stick to that, it in all probability works higher. However I don’t have the psychological self-discipline for that. I need to attempt a bit of little bit of all the pieces. Similar.

Leka:
I’m going to attempt all the pieces. However then additionally I believe the largest time freedom I’ve obtained is I did that. I purchased a property, I chook it, and I did that a number of occasions when rates of interest have been decrease and that’s how I constructed my rental portfolio. However that additionally means I personal numerous leases, very tenant heavy state, and for which I’ve to have one of the best property managers representing me and discovering a very good property supervisor that has saved me a lot effort and time,

Dave:
It’s value it.

Leka:
It’s nonetheless not passive.

Dave:
Yeah, no, it’s

Leka:
Not. There’s nothing passive about it, however no less than it takes up much less of my time.

Dave:
Yeah, completely. I’ve had this rule for myself the place I solely spend, I work full-time, so totally different scenario. You’re employed clearly, however you’re employed full-time in actual property. However I’m a 20 hour a month restrict on actual property. And in order that’s principally, it’s roughly an hour a day, a working day, proper? And in order that’s in all probability means much less. You have been in all probability like, that’s loopy, however that’s why I make investments lots in passive actual property. Or I’m serious about perhaps I’ll do my first flip. Now I dwell in Seattle and everybody’s convincing me to flip. Meaning I in all probability can’t purchase leases for these three months as a result of that’s my restrict. I work lots at BiggerPockets. I’ve different issues that I do.
After I began, I didn’t have that. I used to be working on a regular basis on actual property, however now that I’m type of a bit of bit older and I’ve different priorities and issues I need to do, that’s the best way I simply maintain that self-discipline. And I believe it really works very well for individuals simply setting a restrict as a result of then I’m like, yearly once I have a look at my portfolio, I’m like, man, this one property is making me an honest return, but it surely’s a ache within the butt and it’s costing me eight hours a month. That’s an excessive amount of. That’s 40% of the time I spend in actual property. I obtained to promote that factor.

Leka:
I

Dave:
Purchase one thing simpler or I’m trying so as to add to my rental portfolio. This fall purpose-built multifamily is constructed eighties or later. It actually simply type of helps you consider precisely what it’s essential to purchase and no less than has helped me management my very own need to attempt all the pieces. It simply purchase a random home that appears cool or has a very good unfold and could be nice, however it’s simply going to be an excessive amount of time for me. We do must take a fast break, however we’ll have extra with Laca proper after this. Welcome again to the BiggerPockets podcast. I’m right here with investor Laika dta. Would you say you’re nonetheless in scaling mode? Really, let me ask you that.

Leka:
Sure and no. I’m at all times in search of good offers and I’ve the flexibility to now purchase some unbelievable offers with enormous revenue spreads. And so if I discover a deal like that, I’m by no means going to say no.

Dave:
Yeah, no means.

Leka:
You saying no. Sadly, I discover a deal a month and I’m like, oh my gosh, I simply purchased one other home or I’d purchased one other constructing, no matter it’s. However I might say that I’m at all times scaling, but in addition I’m doing issues that I like. I’m shopping for tasks that I like. I’m working with wonderful traders whose investing profession that I can affect. So I’m an enormous believer of simply giving again to the group. Once you got here on the Actual Property at Work Meetup, Dave, I had so many individuals come again and inform me, okay, that was simply one in every of my favourite meetups. I realized a lot from Dave. I realized a lot from simply being within the room with all these different traders. So simply giving again is large for me. So I’m at all times scaling,

Dave:
However

Leka:
I’m additionally scaling by doing much less if there may be such a factor.

Dave:
I completely assume there may be. I believe it takes time to develop this, however I don’t know, I simply really feel such as you get into this rhythm after some time the place it will get simpler and it’s not like stuff doesn’t come up, however you have got your HVAC particular person, you realize who to name, and so all the pieces will get just a bit bit simpler. And so you may really do extra and earn more money by doing much less in actual property over time, whether or not it’s via passive revenue or simply system. I’ve type of gone the passive route. You’ve gone extra of the systematization

Leka:
Route,

Dave:
Like systematizing all the pieces in order that it’s simply a lot simpler. However both means, I believe it’s tremendous. That is simply totally different paths for scaling that I believe are higher for various individuals relying on what you’re hoping to perform and what your life is like.

Leka:
Yeah, I believe once I went from flipping 12 houses in a single yr, the subsequent yr I solely flipped two and I made more cash on these two houses than I did within the final 12.

Dave:
Oh wow. That’s

Leka:
Nice. And that’s once I realized you may really scale the revenue you make by descaling the sorts of properties you’re shopping for.

Dave:
Completely. Or simply as one other instance, in the event you’re a purchase and maintain investor, in the event you can one way or the other minimize the period of time you spend managing your property, you may spend all that point in search of nice offers or networking or doing simply one thing else to scale your portfolio. That in all probability is extra price and time efficient. And for me, this was an enormous psychological shift. I refused for 10 years to outsource my property administration. Even once I was working full time and in grad faculty, I used to be like, I’m doing all of it. I’m not paying anybody to do something. And it was such a mistake. It was such a mistake looking back. The one motive I did is I moved to Europe and I used to be actually compelled to rent a property supervisor. However man, studying to do this, the sooner the higher. You don’t have to do it instantly, however I believe when you’re able to scale and I believe take the leap, simply go systematize issues as quickly as you may.

Leka:
Precisely.

Dave:
Effectively, Laika, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us once more on the BiggerPockets podcast. Congrats upfront on the e-book. Can’t wait till it comes out. Are you aware when it comes out?

Leka:
I believe it’s already on the BiggerPockets web site.

Dave:
It’s. I can see it proper now. It’s on the web site. You’ll be able to pre-order it although. It says it’s going to ship September twenty third, so you may pre-order it now in order for you. Which comes with bonuses normally, proper? Sure. So get that, you are able to do the bonuses after which two months from now you’re going to have your leika DHA e-book. That’s

Leka:
Superior. I’m actually excited for you guys to all learn it as a result of not solely does it have all of the totally different methods that I personally use, but it surely additionally has my very own private tales on how I executed these totally different methods. So it’s actually simply primarily based alone expertise doing a myriad of various type of strategies, investing methods and artistic finance offers. So I’m so excited for everybody to learn this.

Dave:
Completely. I’m excited to learn it myself. Thanks once more.

Leka:
Thanks, Dave, for having me once more.

Dave:
In fact. I believe when you’ve been on thrice as official, you’re like a buddy of the pod. So that you’ve been a buddy of BiggerPockets for a very long time, however now you’re an official buddy of the pod.

Leka:
Sure.

Dave:
And thanks all a lot for listening to this episode of the BiggerPockets Podcast. We’ll see you subsequent time. See you.