Wish to Put money into Actual Property in 2026? Take heed to This First

Dave Meyer:
These had been the BiggerPockets Podcast episodes that outlined actual property investing in 2025. Hey everybody, Dave right here. I hope you’re all having fun with the vacation season together with your family and friends. It has been one other transformative 12 months in actual property. The market continues to evolve and the buyers who’re thriving are those who’ve tailored their methods to match present situations quite than ready for issues to return to regular. On in the present day’s present, we’re going to recap among the greatest investing tendencies and matters we centered on in 2025 by replaying parts of the 12 months’s hottest BiggerPockets podcast episodes. These are the exhibits that resonated most with the BiggerPockets group after they had been first printed. And so I hope revisiting them in the present day will assist encourage you as you intend for investing in 2026. We’re going to republish a couple of different common episodes of the present and from throughout your complete BiggerPockets community over the subsequent week, after which we are going to return with model new podcasts beginning on January 2nd.
The primary episode I’m going to revisit in the present day is again from January as a result of final 12 months I began off the 12 months by sharing my upside period framework for the primary time. The thought behind it’s that we’re in a brand new period of investing. And though actual property might not be as apparent because it was a couple of years in the past, it’s nonetheless one of the best path to securing your monetary future, and it’s higher than another method to make investments your cash. This episode was referred to as The Actual Property Monetary Freeda Method Has Modified. It was launched in January 2025. And I feel my dialog with Henry Washington holds up simply as effectively now because it did nearly a full 12 months in the past. I feel the issue is that we deal with monetary independence as binary. It’s like both you’re financially free otherwise you’re not. When actuality, it’s a path.
And the aim, not less than for me, has at all times been to simply grow to be extra financially unbiased. Each deal you do, each monetary determination you make will hopefully put you in a greater monetary place so you may have extra flexibility. For some individuals like Henry, that flexibility is likely to be going to Europe and simply not working for a pair weeks. For me, I relaxation straightforward figuring out that if BiggerPockets determined to fireside me tomorrow, I couldn’t work for a few years and be very snug. And to me, wouldn’t take into account myself absolutely financially unbiased as a result of if I left my job in the present day, I would want to determine energetic revenue similar to you, Henry. However I’m extra financially unbiased than I used to be 15 years in the past earlier than I began investing.

Henry Washington:
Completely.

Dave Meyer:
And I’m extra financially unbiased this 12 months than I used to be final 12 months and the 12 months earlier than that and the 12 months earlier than that. And I really feel like that actually must be the aim is simply to maintain shifting in that course as a result of truthfully, your definition of what monetary independence goes to alter. The sum of money I assumed that I’d’ve wanted to really feel snug once I began 15 years in the past, I handed that quantity some time in the past. And my expectations, I attempt to not have way of life creep, however whenever you grow old and also you simply have a extra refined life, your bills simply go up. And in order that’s why I really feel like setting this aim and saying I’m monetary unbiased or not, it’s simply not lifelike. The aim is simply to maintain making progress.

Henry Washington:
Yeah, that’s completely true. I used to be a kind of individuals once I received began that I assumed I’d purchase sufficient rental properties to supply sufficient cashflow in present days
That I’d be capable to take the cashflow from the rental properties. After which when that variety of cashflow hit the variety of cash I made per 30 days in my day job, that I may go away my day job and reside off of my cashflow. However as I began to purchase properties, I began to understand that that wasn’t essentially going to be a factor. I used to be completely shopping for properties that cashflow, however your online business and your properties, they don’t perform linearly. It’s not such as you purchase it after which it money flows and nothing ever occurs or goes improper. It simply makes you simply print that cash each month and it’s excellent and the world is nice. However that’s not the case. The extra properties you purchase, issues break at completely different instances, issues break all on the identical time, individuals transfer in, individuals transfer out. There’s this fixed circulate of cash that it’s laborious for you to have the ability to say, “Okay, effectively, I purchased 10 properties and every property money flows $500 a month.
And so now I’ve $5,000 each month that I simply will take out of this account and spend on my payments.” And the cash is flowing too fluidly for that to be a actuality. And so I spotted that if I actually need these properties to pay me money circulate that I may reside off of passively, then it’s going to occur far into the longer term
When these belongings are paid off. And so I needed to pivot my technique to assume, okay, effectively, how can I take advantage of actual property to nonetheless purchase leases, but in addition make money now in order that I can A, proceed to develop my portfolio, but in addition stabilize my portfolio after which begin to aggressively repay these properties so I can hit that aim sooner. That wasn’t what I assumed beginning out.

Dave Meyer:
Completely. Yeah. And I wish to ask you about the way you pivoted your online business, however I’m simply curious first, was that disappointing to you realizing that?

Henry Washington:
You already know, that’s an attention-grabbing query. I don’t keep in mind feeling disillusioned about it simply because I used to be actively within the enterprise at that time and I had the foundational ability, which is I understand how to go purchase a very good deal. All I needed to change was the way in which I used to be monetizing that deal, which was flipping it and getting more money upfront versus holding onto it and taking a pair hundred {dollars} right here or there. So no, it wasn’t disappointing as a result of I simply love the enterprise of actual property.

Dave Meyer:
Seems like persons are avoiding stepping into actual property as a result of we, people who find themselves actual property educators, BiggerPockets is a part of this, have been saying, “Hey, you will get actual property monetary freedom in a few years.” And like I mentioned, in the course of the 2010s, it was at all times troublesome, but it surely was simpler than it was in the present day. It was

Henry Washington:
Simpler.

Dave Meyer:
For certain. However I assume I nonetheless really feel just like the prospect and the worth of actual property investing remains to be so sturdy that it frustrates me when persons are like, “I’m not going to get in as a result of now it’s going to take 10 years to be financially freedom or 15 years to monetary freedom.” That’s unbelievable. It’s wonderful. Profession in the US is like 45 years. So that you’re saying you narrow it into a 3rd. If that doesn’t get you excited, I don’t actually know what would, however I do really feel like, I don’t know should you hear this too, however I hear individuals saying like, “Oh, I can’t discover cashflow, I’m not going to get into it. ” However the fundamentals haven’t actually modified. That is type of at all times the way it’s labored.

Henry Washington:
The basics haven’t modified. They’re extra vital now than they’ve ever been. It’s the basics it’s important to persist with now to be able to achieve success, however yeah, that is one of the simplest ways to speed up that path in any method {that a} regular individual may. Are you able to do it in different pathways? Are you able to do it within the inventory market? Yeah, however you bought to get actually good at buying and selling shares. However the common individual in actual property can do that with out being an expert actual property investor, and that’s unbelievable.

Dave Meyer:
Given this, given the truth, it seems like we agree that it’s going to take you 12 to fifteen years to do it. In my thoughts, that’s implausible. And you may form of be agnostic, not less than to me, about the way you pursue that energetic revenue. I feel there’s a very good argument to be made that it is best to simply pursue no matter energetic revenue makes you probably the most cash. And for me, that’s persevering with in an everyday job, but it surely seems like for you, why did you make that alternative figuring out that you just wanted energetic revenue to do it by means of actual property quite than … You had a very good job, proper? You had a very good company job and also you selected to go away that.

Henry Washington:
Sure, I did have an amazing company job and I loved my job. That’s why I saved it so long as humanly doable. I used to be going to do each till I couldn’t do each anymore till somebody was going to cease me from doing each. And I did. That’s what occurred is I give up when it price me cash to have the job after they wished me to work extra hours and I simply couldn’t give them extra hours as a result of it could take away from what I used to be doing in actual property. However the reply to your query is I had to decide on the true property as a result of I’m throwing all out right here. I used to be making $110,000 a 12 months, which isn’t a ton of cash, but it surely’s good cash, proper? It’s good cash. It’s laborious not to decide on actual property as your full-time revenue path once I’d should commerce 40 hours every week for 12 months to make $110,000.
In the event you depend my bonus, I used to be in all probability making nearer to $140,000 once I may flip two homes and make that, and I may flip two homes in the identical month. Yeah.

Dave Meyer:
Would you set it that manner? Proper,

Henry Washington:
Proper. We simply bought a deal and made 70K final week. And yeah, it took us 5 months to make 70K, however that wasn’t the one home I used to be flipping. I had to decide on the true property. It made extra monetary sense. And in addition, I adore it a lot greater than I cherished my day job. I favored my day job. I like doing this.

Dave Meyer:
In order that was me and Henry on episode quantity 1069 from January. Our subsequent episode in the present day was our hottest present of the 12 months on YouTube. It’s an investor story with Deandra McDonald. This episode actually struck a chord with lots of you as a result of it proves you can begin investing in actual property and alter your monetary trajectory from nearly any place to begin. DeAndra had $35,000 in debt and received rejected by a lender the primary time she tried to purchase a property. She ultimately received her first deal although with a down fee of lower than $4,000, and 4 years later, she was in a position to give up her job and grow to be a full-time actual property investor. That is an extremely inspiring story of taking incremental steps to enhance your monetary place, one property at a time. Right here’s my dialog with Deandra McDonald from episode 1105 again in April. What did you purchase?
Since you mentioned you wished to reside in it. Had been you on the lookout for a home hack type of scenario?

Deandra McDonald:
Precisely, as a result of that’s all I had. With all that financial savings, that additional two years, I nonetheless may give you about $5,000 as a result of I needed to pay down the bank card debt and simply reside.That was additionally a necessity. However my first buy was a two bed room townhouse, simply half a duplex the place the plan was simply to decrease my lease. However what really occurred was I moved in, I took the smaller room and I rented out the second room to a roommate, which lined my mortgage. And that began the total dependancy to this entire means of like, “Oh, I see. Okay. Yeah.

Dave Meyer:
” Yeah. I’d think about that producing that revenue or saving that cash was so much simpler than lifeguarding elements.

Deandra McDonald:
For

Dave Meyer:
Positive. So that you didn’t get to give up your job absolutely, proper? I think about you had been nonetheless working full-time, however seems like not less than enhance your high quality of life simply off that first deal, proper?

Deandra McDonald:
Yeah. Even simply I received to cease lifeguarding.

Dave Meyer:
Yeah.

Deandra McDonald:
Even simply that. I had weekends once more. I had a break day that I wasn’t enthusiastic about how can I choose up an additional shift? How can I make an additional $20 this weekend as a result of that provides to the pot? I may relaxation. So even when it was simply that, my goodness.

Dave Meyer:
I feel that is so vital as a result of I consider this trade, plenty of the main focus has been turned to simply quitting your job, however I like listening to tales like yours the place you present that each incremental deal can enhance your monetary scenario and might enhance, such as you’re saying, your high quality of life. You really had this tangible profit to your life simply by shopping for a single actual property deal. And I actually encourage everybody, possibly should you haven’t gotten that first deal but, to consider that as a result of it’s so much much less daunting to consider how do I substitute my full W2 job. It’s like, effectively, simply take into consideration how are you going to work a little bit bit much less? We’ll provide you with a little bit bit extra peace of thoughts simply to get that first deal. It sounds such as you did that, however you then received the bug. So what did you do after you bought first home hack?

Deandra McDonald:
I saved home hacking for some time. I received a greater job the place I used to be making extra money, however didn’t change my way of life. And so yearly on the dot, we used to have a joke that I’ve containers that didn’t even hassle on packing as a result of it was like, I’m going to be gone in a 12 months as a result of now I’ve this technique in like, oh, I reside right here for a 12 months. I lease it whereas I’m right here. I lease it once I go away. All that extra cash goes into the subsequent property so that each property is greater, higher, extra environment friendly than the final one. I can repair stuff up as I’m going. For years is simply what I centered on.

Dave Meyer:
What space of the nation is that this?

Deandra McDonald:
I’m in Central Virginia, particularly Charlottesville.

Dave Meyer:
Okay. And it seems like that first deal, did you simply put in 5 grand? Was that each one you needed to give you?

Deandra McDonald:
I feel we seemed on the numbers and wound up being like $3,800.

Dave Meyer:
Yeah. Oh my God, that’s wonderful. And so everybody listening to that is jealous. However simply as a reminder, again then it was so much tougher to get a mortgage to, as Deandra talked about, there have been trade-offs to each time. So was that form of the quantity you had been taking pictures to avoid wasting each single 12 months? May you repeat the technique you had been utilizing simply saving up $3,800, $5,000 a 12 months and shopping for one thing new?

Deandra McDonald:
Precisely. It was like, “Hey, there’s an abundance of properties right here underneath $1150,000.” I keep in mind now instances are completely different. Like Dave was saying, I keep in mind having a $200,000 funds and being choosy stepping into and say like, “I don’t like these cupboards. Present me one thing else. I don’t just like the wall colours.” And that was okay since you had different choices. And I wish to say this, in sure elements of my state, that’s nonetheless very true.
My space has gotten very, extremely popular. It received very, extremely popular after the world type of shut down in 2020, but it surely wasn’t that common six years in the past the place it was nonetheless such as you had choices. And there are surrounding counties and surrounding cities the place there are nonetheless loads of choices should you had been to stroll in proper now with $200,000 and a need to reside there. However yeah, what occurred was I used to be paying 700 a month in lease. So I went from paying 700 month of lease to nothing. So all I did was save that cash. So now as an alternative of saving 3,000, I can save much more per 30 days. I took out HELOCs as I’d shift from place to put. My Airbnbs would do effectively. All that cash simply saved being saved and going to the subsequent property.

Dave Meyer:
And the way lengthy had been you doing home hacking? When did you begin doing one thing else?

Deandra McDonald:
I used to be home hacking solely for about three years. On 12 months 4 is once I began experimenting with midterm and quick time period as a result of I had duplexes or I had quads that generally I’d have two or three months between when this tenant ended and the subsequent tenant who desires to come back begins. So what do I do on this timeframe? Oh, I may lease to a touring nurse for 2 months or put it on short-term leases as a result of I had some additional furnishings. They usually’re like, “Oh, that is nice. I can play with all of those every time I want them as an alternative of sticking to at least one factor.”

Dave Meyer:
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Henry Washington:
Properly, if that actual property investor is me, you will get me a 15-unit condominium constructing.

Dave Meyer:
Oh, does that work? Do individuals simply ship you condominium buildings?

Henry Washington:
They’re now.

Dave Meyer:
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Welcome again. At this time, we’re revisiting among the present’s hottest episodes from the 12 months that was. Our subsequent clip has an analogous theme. Antoinette Monroe was feeling unfulfilled along with her company profession when she fell into actual property investing nearly unintentionally. Investing, nevertheless, not solely gave her the monetary freedom to finally go away her job, but it surely additionally gave her a way of function when she started working assisted residing services. Like DeAndra, Antoinette’s story exhibits that even a small portfolio could make a huge effect in your monetary future and your group. That is me with Antoinette from episode quantity 1120.

Antoinette Monroe:
So I spent that whole first 12 months type of digging by means of all the BiggerPockets boards, listening to all of the podcasts to know, okay, what do you do subsequent whenever you’ve completed this? I realized about home hacking. I spotted that that’s what I used to be doing, however then additionally the beginning technique. And that’s how I received my second deal. So in 2019, I bought an off-market deal from my neighbor within the neighborhood I grew up in. So I had a direct hook up with the vendor and that deal I used to be in a position to get underneath contract for underneath 200,000. It solely wanted about 30 or 40 value of labor. And thru some suggestions that I received off the larger pockets for them, I used to be in a position to refinance that home and get all of my money again inside 45 days of closing.

Dave Meyer:
Wow. Wonderful. I’d like to dig into that as a result of I feel that is one among these offers that folks listening are going to be like, “I need a kind of.” Give me that. So inform me a little bit bit how the off-market deal comes up as a result of we at all times hear about off-market offers, they’re nice and so they type of are simply this magical factor. And I feel how did this one come about? Did your neighbor know you had been shopping for homes or inform us about it?

Antoinette Monroe:
Properly, no, as a result of on the time I wasn’t. I simply had the one home. However my mother knew that I used to be studying to be an actual property investor and I wished to try this. So speaking to her someday, she talked about, “Hey, the neighbor throughout the road, she’s planning to maneuver to Georgia to be along with her children as a result of she’s getting older.” And I used to be like, “Ah, I do know what that is. I heard that podcast. It is a wholesale deal.” So I used to be like, “Give me her quantity. I’m going to name her.” And so I referred to as her, discovered what she was excited by doing. I went by means of all the steps of the issues that I realized about from a wholesale deal. I used to be not a very good negotiator. So I used to be similar to, what’s it that you really want for it? I’ll comply with that as a result of

Dave Meyer:
The numbers labored out. Yeah. Which is type of a win-win scenario, proper?

Antoinette Monroe:
Yeah. And so she nonetheless talked to some completely different wholesalers and I defined to her, I used to be like, “They’re going to offer you affords. Then they’re going to come back and have a look at it, after which they’re going to whittle that supply down primarily based on the bills that they’ve. So that they’ll do no matter to get you underneath contract.” However finally, I feel I used to be in a position to get that deal due to the non-public relationship and he or she was getting the value that she wished and that was sufficient for her. So it’s a kind of, generally the precise place, proper time. You by no means know when that deal will come, however should you’re placing out what you’re excited by or what you’re on the lookout for, then individuals often attempt to assist. So I instructed my mother, I wish to be an actual property investor. I wish to purchase extra properties. So anytime, now her ears are open when she hears about alternatives, she’s going to consider me and provides me a name.

Dave Meyer:
Properly, I like that. Good for you. That’s wonderful story about form of this mix of serendipity and circumstance, but in addition being ready for it.

Antoinette Monroe:
Being ready. Sure. If I hadn’t been listening to the podcast, if I hadn’t been doing the analysis and understanding, that chance would’ve got here and I wouldn’t have identified what to do with it or the best way to really make it work.

Dave Meyer:
Yeah. Your mother would’ve mentioned, “Hey, our neighbor’s shifting.” You’ve been like, “Oh, cool. I hope they get pleasure from Georgia.” You wouldn’t have been enthusiastic about how may you probably create a mutually helpful scenario for your self and for this individual. So it was a single household dwelling, I assume, and your plan was to show right into a rental?

Antoinette Monroe:
Sure. So it was a single household. I put it underneath contract earlier than I noticed it. I simply had the recollections. I’d been in right here earlier than as a child, much like my home. That’s type of enjoyable. However as soon as I closed on it, I got here down and noticed that they’d completed an addition to it that made it a a lot bigger single household than I knew. And the structure made it conducive for a cut up, which is what I did with the primary home. I purchased a single household, cut up it in half and type of made two items out of it proper as much as the road of being in bother with code. Simply-

Dave Meyer:
Simply towing

Antoinette Monroe:
That line.

Dave Meyer:
Yeah. Okay.

Antoinette Monroe:
Yeah. So I noticed this chance in that home as effectively, and I did the identical factor. I simply dropped a wall by means of the center of it, made a one mattress, one tub studio within the again with a kitchenette as a result of kitchens imply code points, after which saved the three one within the entrance. And I used to be in a position to lease each side out, one to a member of the family, as a result of anytime you’re doing one thing, there’s at all times someone watching. So instantly one half went to a member of the family, and the opposite half I used a realtor to get rented out.

Dave Meyer:
Okay, nice. You mentioned you purchased it for underneath 200 grand, you needed to put 30 or 40 grand in. How did you fiscal all of that?

Antoinette Monroe:
So with the primary challenge, I had improved it after which added 700 sq. ft. So there was a very good little bit of fairness in that dwelling.
Good. I realized on the varieties that I ought to pull dwelling fairness traces of credit score. So I had one current and able to go on that first dwelling. So I used to be in a position to purchase this outright in money utilizing the fairness from the house fairness mortgage. After which I borrowed personal cash from my brother-in-law to finish the renovation on that second dwelling. So it was a mix of all of the stuff you realized. There was that dwelling fairness line of credit score, there was borrowing cash from my brother-in-law, after which the hack that I take advantage of is my technique to make single households have twice as a lot money circulate.

Dave Meyer:
That’s nice.

Antoinette Monroe:
Which is splitting them in half.

Dave Meyer:
If you wish to hear extra of Antoinette’s wonderful investing journey, ensure that to take a look at episode 1120. Subsequent up is a dialog I had with Henry Washington in August concerning the BRRR methodology. Popularizing the BER is one among BiggerPockets’ greatest contributions to actual property investing. It’s a particularly highly effective technique that permits buyers to recycle their money and scale shortly. However there was a story not too long ago that the BRRR is debt. Some individuals say it’s outdated in an period with mortgage charges over 6%. So Henry and I wished to speak this by means of and focus on whether or not that’s true and how one can replace the BER to nonetheless make it work in the present day. That is from episode 1165.

Henry Washington:
It was a complete lot simpler to search out offers to BER three years in the past. We nonetheless discover them now, however much less regularly. Flip numbers are likely to make extra sense on this market than rental numbers, however as a result of we’re on the lookout for offers in quantity and we’re discovering offers in quantity, from time to time we get one which makes an amazing BER. After which I feel it’s important to put some parameters round BER, principally like a timeline as a result of you should buy, renovate, lease, after which refinance in a brief time frame, or you are able to do it in a for much longer time frame. I’ve refinanced a number of properties this 12 months and pulled money out of them once I purchased them three to 5 years in the past and I simply put them on adjustable charges and that adjustable fee now got here due. I refinanced it right into a 30-year mounted and pulled money out.
And people long-term BERS are nonetheless BERS.

Dave Meyer:
Hernia, that’s an amazing level. I feel it’s a very vital caveat as a result of I’ve been calling it the delayed BER or individuals in YouTube gave me new concepts of what to name it as a result of I suck at this, however I couldn’t give you a greater identify of it. We’ll name it the delayed bur. However I feel there’s two various things that you are able to do. One factor I’ve been doing is delaying the renovation. You purchase one thing that’s really absolutely occupied quite than vacant and never attempting to do the BER on this flipped timeline. As a result of as you mentioned, there’s this method to doing the BRRR methodology, which is like, I’m going to do that in six months or no matter. I’m going to get in there, I’m going to renovate it shortly, I’m going to get lease as much as market fee, then I’m going to do that money out and I’m going to go purchase the subsequent deal actually quickly.
And that did work rather well for some time. I feel it’s laborious to line up two offers. Such as you’re saying, I can’t do it proper now realistically, however even you, Henry, it seems like it could be laborious to even line as much as Burr’s in that timeframe the place it could even be advantageous so that you can even do this. And so what you can do is both take form of the extra delayed method, which is getting the occupied items and opportunistically renovating when there’s time, or doing the renovation upfront, however not refinancing till you want the capital. I’m really refinancing a deal I purchased like six years in the past as a result of it’s money flowing effectively, however I feel that there’s going to be good offers coming and I’m seeing extra offers coming and I simply would possibly wish to release some capital. And so I’ll simply do the refinance, but it surely’s manner

Henry Washington:
Later. Yep. I feel when Burr was initially pitched, it was pitched as a method to scale an actual property enterprise since you may line up again to again Burr’s and you can repeat this course of and you’ll nonetheless repeat it. I feel the timeline for the conventional investor is simply going to be longer.

Dave Meyer:
I feel that’s proper. There may be this assumption on this query, and I get this query on a regular basis. I’m certain you do too. Do BER’s work? Is it useless? There may be this assumption that the one cause to do a BERR is that you could refinance 100% of your capital out.

Henry Washington:
Full BERS. You bought a full BER.

Dave Meyer:
Proper, precisely. You want the quote unquote excellent Burr or full BER. However that isn’t that widespread. Possibly should you’re doing Henry’s type of offers and also you’re in the precise market on the proper time, that may be widespread. However I feel should you simply type of like reframe the dialog and don’t assume that you must take 100% of your capital out, then I’d say Burr is totally nonetheless a method to develop your online business. You’re nonetheless in a position to refinance a few of your cash out and also you’re shopping for, ideally, should you’re doing it proper, a money flowing rental property that you’ve constructed fairness in, you’re getting a few of your cash out of it to go scale once more. That’s nonetheless a win, even when it’s not completely tremendous 100% recycling of your capital prefer it was for that transient second in time.

Henry Washington:
Can I provide you with a sizzling take?

Dave Meyer:
Sure. That’s why you’re right here.

Henry Washington:
Even when Burrs had been straightforward to do, I didn’t actually like doing them.

Dave Meyer:
Actually? Why?

Henry Washington:
I didn’t like pulling my money out. I favored the money circulate.

Dave Meyer:
That’s the opposite factor. Yeah.

Henry Washington:
While you refinance a deal, what’s basically what you’re doing is you’re getting a brand new mortgage at the next quantity and that new mortgage at the next quantity comes with a mortgage fee and that mortgage fee goes to be greater than the earlier one as a result of now it’s the next mortgage. While you get a brand new mortgage, they entrance load the curiosity within the first 5 to seven years,
And so most of your fee goes to curiosity. And so you set this cash in your pocket and lots of people, particularly the informal investor, could not have had the subsequent Burr lined up. They pulled the money out of their final Burr after which they blow a piece of it earlier than they get to their subsequent deal. After which it kills the aim. What I used to be doing and what I nonetheless love to do is as an alternative of refinance, I simply get entry to a line of credit score on that fairness after which that manner I don’t get a brand new mortgage at the next quantity. I hold my decrease mortgage fee, which retains my money circulate. After which I’ve entry to the cash within the occasion I want it as an alternative of simply pulling it out and beginning to pay on a brand new mortgage after which not spending that cash correctly.

Dave Meyer:
Yeah, as a result of that’s an amazing level. In the event you don’t instantly reinvest your capital that you just pull out, you’re basically simply lowering your cashflow for no cause.

Henry Washington:
Yeah, proper.

Dave Meyer:
That to me is a very vital factor. If you wish to hear extra concerning the sluggish bur and the way Henry and I are each utilizing it in our personal portfolios, ensure that to return and take a look at episode 1165. We’ll be proper again. We’re again on the BiggerPockets Podcast going by means of a few of our greatest episodes of 2025. One of many causes I personally love having Henry on the present is as a result of he brings a lot information and expertise relating to renovations and worth add investing. You heard it on that earlier BRRR episode earlier than the break, and also you’re going to listen to it in our subsequent clip too. Including worth to your properties is likely one of the key expertise for nearly each investor making offers proper now, as a result of in most locations, you’ll be able to’t simply go on the market and purchase properties off the MLS and get plenty of money circulate.
However with just a bit little bit of effort, a little bit little bit of enchancment, you’ll be able to drive up values and lease on the identical time and make offers work. That’s what episode 1088 from February was all about. Right here’s me and Henry once more.

Henry Washington:
Now, earlier than we transfer on, you’ll be able to generally add direct worth for underneath 5 grand in case your property is about up for you to take action.

Dave Meyer:
Sure.

Henry Washington:
An instance of this that we did not too long ago, this was in a flip, however may have been a rental, proper? And so what occurred was we had a two mattress, one tub home, and that one tub home had a laundry room, and that laundry room was very large, large enough that it may have been a small bed room. This home additionally had a sunroom. Now, this sunroom was not heated and cooled and was dilapidated. And so what we had been in a position What to do was to maneuver the laundry into the sunroom. We completed the sunroom by simply placing insulation within the partitions and drywalling the ceiling as a result of it was simply type of like an open beam ceiling. We added insulation and drywall within the ceiling. We painted the concrete ground. We moved the laundry in there, after which we added a mini cut up air-con unit into that sunroom.

Dave Meyer:
Good.

Henry Washington:
So by doing that, we had been in a position to spend in all probability about 5 grand. And so we added sq. footage. Although it was already underneath roof, that sq. footage wasn’t counted within the heated and cooled sq. footage of the home as a result of there was no air-con. So by including a mini cut up, we added about 200 sq. ft to the home. And by shifting the laundry into that room, we had been in a position to create a 3rd bed room. And in order that $5,000 allowed us to promote this home for $220,000 as an alternative of $200,000. So I spent 5 and I bought it for an additional 20. In order that’s $15,000 value of extra worth for spending 5,000.

Dave Meyer:
And never that a lot work. And never even that. Now that’s time.

Henry Washington:
So if in case you have a property, should you’re listening to this and you’ve got a property and also you’re contemplating doing one thing like this, do you may have a room in that property that isn’t underneath roof? Do you may have a room in that property that may very well be a bed room as an alternative of a eating room? Individuals don’t actually use formal eating rooms. I wish to convert these to bedrooms.

Dave Meyer:
I simply did that in a property the opposite day. There was a entrance little factor. I simply put a door up. It prices like $600. I’m getting in all probability two, 250 extra a month in lease due to that.

Henry Washington:
Growth. Can you change a storage? Plenty of the instances, single automotive garages, individuals don’t use to park in. They use to retailer stuff. I’ve a pair items in Joplin, Missouri the place there’s single automotive garages. And once I purchased the properties, each single one of many garages was saved stuff. Nobody was parking in it. So we spend about 5 grand, convert the storage right into a bed room, and now we get an additional three to $500 a month of lease out of every a kind of items.

Dave Meyer:
That is actually form of one of the best recommendation as a result of I feel it’s vital for individuals to understand that this isn’t luck. It’s not like Henry purchased this home and was like, “Oh, I discovered this sunroom and I can convert it. “That is the stuff you must be on the lookout for whenever you’re really going to purchase properties as a result of anybody can theoretically add a bed room. However should you’re popping a prime and taking off a roof and rebuilding that, that’s going to be a really costly proposition. That’s going to take a very long time. Or yow will discover these properties which might be arrange for it. These are good examples. I did one thing very comparable with my short-term rental. I wished a 4 bed room home. I wanted that to get my income. All of them had been tremendous costly, however I discovered a 3 bed room home that had a 400 sq. foot second lounge.
Nobody was utilizing it. And it’s in a walkout, but it surely already had an egress window constructed. So I didn’t even have to try this. It had a closet. It was principally all I wanted to do was put up drywall, one other bed room, particularly should you’re new to worth add. These are the sorts of properties that you could actually begin to goal. The opposite factor the place I make investments plenty of locations at basements and ending them out is type of a no brainer. You search for ones which have the precise ceiling peak,
Which have a very good basis, which have large enough home windows for egress. You don’t wish to dig out the muse, however these forms of issues, that’s simply very easy forms of worth add that actually have a tangible, measurable, confirmed manner of including worth.

Henry Washington:
One of many first stuff you wish to search for are search for houses which have bed room and toilet counts the place the sq. footage appears too large for that bed room and toilet

Dave Meyer:
Depend. Sure. Yeah. Like a 2,400 sq. foot with two beds.

Henry Washington:
Sure,

Dave Meyer:
Precisely. That’s not proper.

Henry Washington:
In the event you’ve received over 2,000 sq. ft, two bed room home, there’s room to transform one thing to a bed room. There may be room so as to add some worth. In the event you’re a 3 mattress, two bathhouse and it’s received 2,500 to three,500 sq. ft, there’s in all probability room. Search for properties which have sunrooms. Sunrooms sometimes aren’t heated and cooled. And you may simply add some drywall and add some flooring and add some insulation and a mini cut up air-con unit and you will get added sq. footage.

Dave Meyer:
No, sorry. I’m simply laughing as a result of that is simply citing my childhood. My dad did this the place he transformed a sunroom to my bed room. I simply assume he skipped the insulation and including warmth half as a result of it was simply freezing my whole life. And this was in New York. I used to be simply at all times chilly. There was by no means warmth. I feel he would possibly’ve missed that vital step.

Henry Washington:
Sure. Sure. Sunrooms, we now have made some huge cash by changing sunrooms to heated and cooled sq. footage. They usually’re straightforward properties to search out. It’s sometimes referred to as out on the MLS listings that they’ve these options. And so you’ll be able to actually seek for them. Plenty of them aren’t heated and cooled. And sure, you’ll be able to search for properties with basement items. And Dave is totally proper. While you’re properties with basements, you wish to ensure you examine that ceiling peak and examine the egress dimension of the home windows since you need to have the ability to legally get someone out and in of that window within the case of an emergency for it to be counted as an precise bed room. After which you can even have a look at properties with single automotive garages as a result of properties with single automotive garages provide the choice. You may convert these single automotive garages to bedrooms.
However whenever you’re on the lookout for that, you wish to ensure you examine the competing properties in that neighborhood since you don’t wish to be the one home with a transformed storage. You wish to be sure that that’s one thing that’s taking place inside the neighborhood as a result of should you’re the one one, then your desirability goes down.

Dave Meyer:
My private favourite today that I’ve been on the lookout for, and I’ve completed this previously too, is I like a basement that’s the ceiling peak that has a separate entrance.

Henry Washington:
Oh yeah, completely.

Dave Meyer:
Particularly now with all of the upzoning that’s occurring in areas, you can flip locations into second items. Test the zoning, however the upside of including a complete nother unit
Is simply monumental. And yeah, we’ve form of gone on a tangent right here. We began with 5 grand. Now we’re simply speaking about one of the best worth. That’s 30 grand, 40 grand, one thing like that. However a complete unit, I imply, that’s going to pay for itself in a 12 months or two. That’s an unbelievable return in your funding. In order that’s one thing I undoubtedly search for. All proper. These had been highlights from our prime episodes of 2025. I hope you all loved revisiting these nice episodes as a lot as I did. I hope you might be all having fun with the vacation season as effectively together with your family and friends. We shall be again within the new 12 months with model new episodes beginning on January 2nd. I’ll see you then.